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	<description>A Border Collie Manifesto</description>
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		<title>Comment on Brackett’s Formula: Nothing Special by Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.astraean.com/borderwars/2010/12/bracketts-formula-nothing-special.html#comment-6839</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I just read your article and thought I&#039;d point out that you have the wrong interpretation of Bracket&#039;s formula. When he starts with &quot;let the sire&#039;s sire...&quot; he is referring to a new stud he wants to create. This means the duplicated male is the father of the new stud and the grandfather of the new stud&#039;s mother = 62.5% contribution by blood.

It makes little difference to the context of your article but I thought I would point it out for the sake of accuracy.  Also, don&#039;t get to hung up on the pure mathematics of contribution by blood - beyond the sire &amp; dam, the gene contributions made by ancestors deeper in the pedigree will not necessarily follow Galton&#039;s law.

The key to the formula is that it ensures a 50% contribution of genes from the desired male but also allows a pathway for his desirable traits to be set by having him present in the mother&#039;s side of the pedigree.  Once you get beyond the first remove, breeder selection has much more impact on the resulting progeny.

I hope this is helpful to you.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I just read your article and thought I&#8217;d point out that you have the wrong interpretation of Bracket&#8217;s formula. When he starts with &#8220;let the sire&#8217;s sire&#8230;&#8221; he is referring to a new stud he wants to create. This means the duplicated male is the father of the new stud and the grandfather of the new stud&#8217;s mother = 62.5% contribution by blood.</p>
<p>It makes little difference to the context of your article but I thought I would point it out for the sake of accuracy.  Also, don&#8217;t get to hung up on the pure mathematics of contribution by blood &#8211; beyond the sire &amp; dam, the gene contributions made by ancestors deeper in the pedigree will not necessarily follow Galton&#8217;s law.</p>
<p>The key to the formula is that it ensures a 50% contribution of genes from the desired male but also allows a pathway for his desirable traits to be set by having him present in the mother&#8217;s side of the pedigree.  Once you get beyond the first remove, breeder selection has much more impact on the resulting progeny.</p>
<p>I hope this is helpful to you.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 02:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I think it&#039;s time for a cease fire.</description>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Jana</title>
		<link>http://www.astraean.com/borderwars/2012/02/february-genetics-quiz.html#comment-6836</link>
		<dc:creator>Jana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 02:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please!  Just to set the record straight - I&#039;m on four or five Yahoo groups for collies, but I never crossposted any of the conversations from this blog onto those lists.   

The only Kathy postings I&#039;ve ever seen are the ones on this blog.  I&#039;m only responding to what she&#039;s poted here.  She has some kind of persecution complex.  

I *do* know her IRL from many years ago, although she probably doesn&#039;t remember me.  Oddly enough, I only met her because I was interested in double-merle puppies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please!  Just to set the record straight &#8211; I&#8217;m on four or five Yahoo groups for collies, but I never crossposted any of the conversations from this blog onto those lists.   </p>
<p>The only Kathy postings I&#8217;ve ever seen are the ones on this blog.  I&#8217;m only responding to what she&#8217;s poted here.  She has some kind of persecution complex.  </p>
<p>I *do* know her IRL from many years ago, although she probably doesn&#8217;t remember me.  Oddly enough, I only met her because I was interested in double-merle puppies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Kathy Bittorf</title>
		<link>http://www.astraean.com/borderwars/2012/02/february-genetics-quiz.html#comment-6835</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Bittorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not agree more it is much safer means than this breed clubs and AKC politics.

Well at least a maltese that has served well was not hidden or put down so that now the truth can set us all free. A mutation can be found which does sound like the dominant patterning of the brindle hidden by the merle gene one can surely speculate and postulate from my personal studies.  A broken brindle pattern with the merle gene sure does make sense to me.  Now the safe breeding pattern?   Kathy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more it is much safer means than this breed clubs and AKC politics.</p>
<p>Well at least a maltese that has served well was not hidden or put down so that now the truth can set us all free. A mutation can be found which does sound like the dominant patterning of the brindle hidden by the merle gene one can surely speculate and postulate from my personal studies.  A broken brindle pattern with the merle gene sure does make sense to me.  Now the safe breeding pattern?   Kathy</p>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Kathy Bittorf</title>
		<link>http://www.astraean.com/borderwars/2012/02/february-genetics-quiz.html#comment-6834</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Bittorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the problem the AKC is not neutral. A breeder pays for the DNA testing...then you pay the registry. It is all one big &#039;cash cow&#039;.  Truly you know it is no big deal to have put maltese blue merle. 

Problem when folks produced a maltese previously they did not want to face the politics and the social ostraziation.  

 One can read in old books about varies patterns and brindle is one of them.  The merle gene I have speculated viewing puppies that a breeder just could not figure out from photos she sent me for the last three years.  I said...that almost looks like a broken brindle patterning but she was also dealing with the expression of harlequin.  Puppies were big healthy and strong from photos.  Kathy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the problem the AKC is not neutral. A breeder pays for the DNA testing&#8230;then you pay the registry. It is all one big &#8216;cash cow&#8217;.  Truly you know it is no big deal to have put maltese blue merle. </p>
<p>Problem when folks produced a maltese previously they did not want to face the politics and the social ostraziation.  </p>
<p> One can read in old books about varies patterns and brindle is one of them.  The merle gene I have speculated viewing puppies that a breeder just could not figure out from photos she sent me for the last three years.  I said&#8230;that almost looks like a broken brindle patterning but she was also dealing with the expression of harlequin.  Puppies were big healthy and strong from photos.  Kathy</p>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Kathy Bittorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Bittorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Grey Collie new treatment the coat has partially returned but never to any pigmentation that Jake exhibits? Many affected puppies die in embroynic state...others die before born.  Some lived maybe three days they say cry until they die. What was so terrible for those breeders one could not detect the carriers.  Think the gene marker revealed in a litter of 9 all were carriers but two the only sign was one puppy born dead that was this funny color like dirty dish water.  The collie&#039;s affected lymph glands served research for two early treatments of childhood leukemia.    

During this period kept victims alive in sterile labs but believe it was five years old longest life span.  The Gene Marker has made it possible to rid our breed of this killer.  Kathy Bittorf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Grey Collie new treatment the coat has partially returned but never to any pigmentation that Jake exhibits? Many affected puppies die in embroynic state&#8230;others die before born.  Some lived maybe three days they say cry until they die. What was so terrible for those breeders one could not detect the carriers.  Think the gene marker revealed in a litter of 9 all were carriers but two the only sign was one puppy born dead that was this funny color like dirty dish water.  The collie&#8217;s affected lymph glands served research for two early treatments of childhood leukemia.    </p>
<p>During this period kept victims alive in sterile labs but believe it was five years old longest life span.  The Gene Marker has made it possible to rid our breed of this killer.  Kathy Bittorf</p>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Kathy Bittorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Bittorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the problem you are comprehension bias and so is your muscle man. Especially limited into the health issues that fanciers finally are able to find the carriers...the affected die. 

I never said that the diseases are connected only that MARKERS were found as Exonic SINE insertion.  Do you know that SINE combines with the merle gene? Geez Kathy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the problem you are comprehension bias and so is your muscle man. Especially limited into the health issues that fanciers finally are able to find the carriers&#8230;the affected die. </p>
<p>I never said that the diseases are connected only that MARKERS were found as Exonic SINE insertion.  Do you know that SINE combines with the merle gene? Geez Kathy</p>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Kathy Bittorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Bittorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I see other signs on his legs.  Indeed there have been brindles and the mixing of brindles is warnings came from Old English warnings, not to mix the two color patterns of brindle.  His facial markings indicate the masking that one might find with  such a gene present.  Well, seems everyone will some how have to get their marker money ready. You got an old pattern expressing. Seems some history in the Akita will jump on this one for combine research.  
 Kathy Bittorf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I see other signs on his legs.  Indeed there have been brindles and the mixing of brindles is warnings came from Old English warnings, not to mix the two color patterns of brindle.  His facial markings indicate the masking that one might find with  such a gene present.  Well, seems everyone will some how have to get their marker money ready. You got an old pattern expressing. Seems some history in the Akita will jump on this one for combine research.<br />
 Kathy Bittorf</p>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Kathy Bittorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Bittorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Really?  Not from my experiences otherwise we would not be having what should have been a private e-mail or phone conversation with Kate.  She got my e-mail.  Seems you object to my right of freedom of speech.  Well not a libertain so to speak, but I remember speech .. Patrick Henry, &quot;Give Me Liberty or Give me Death&quot;. They fought and died for my rights under the constitution of the United States of America.  I come from the State that fought off the British... Where Francis Scott Key wrote  our National Athemn on the ship watching the bombing of little Fort McHenry.
    His utter amazement as the dawn broke...and said ..Oh say can you see by the dawn&#039;s early light ...what so proudly we hail at the twilight last gleaming.  Whose broad stripes and bright stars...(he was thrilled the beating they took all night)  
the flag is still there...and it still is.  God Bless America.  Kathy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Really?  Not from my experiences otherwise we would not be having what should have been a private e-mail or phone conversation with Kate.  She got my e-mail.  Seems you object to my right of freedom of speech.  Well not a libertain so to speak, but I remember speech .. Patrick Henry, &#8220;Give Me Liberty or Give me Death&#8221;. They fought and died for my rights under the constitution of the United States of America.  I come from the State that fought off the British&#8230; Where Francis Scott Key wrote  our National Athemn on the ship watching the bombing of little Fort McHenry.<br />
    His utter amazement as the dawn broke&#8230;and said ..Oh say can you see by the dawn&#8217;s early light &#8230;what so proudly we hail at the twilight last gleaming.  Whose broad stripes and bright stars&#8230;(he was thrilled the beating they took all night)<br />
the flag is still there&#8230;and it still is.  God Bless America.  Kathy</p>
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		<title>Comment on February Genetics Quiz by Kathy Bittorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Bittorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason went on her site is she first contacted on a Facebook account alert to what she still believes and your threatening friend is  me. I was not on her site today.  Yes, I was given quite a list of people wanting to be accepted as friends.  I told them to please close this down.  I have seen enough.  Yes, also got the notice alert of complaint.  Some people find how people prey into others lives part of crime prevention or preventing more serious crimes.

 As I told your threating friend that is not me, and is not.  Someone else has more time than I have to sit.  

  She attempted first to get me on Facebook through a mutal acquaintance several requests. I explained, do not like Facebook.
Finally gave them permission to give her private e-mail and get this over and done. 

Yes seems Bella Collies has been the topic of private discusssions my friends tell me.

I do not talk on their chat sites and again it was another acquaintance who recommended a puppy buyer to me that I sent to another breeder that had the pigmentation she desired. 
 Yes when the site was posted I looked.  When did that become a crime or reason to threaten someone?  Photos are difficult to determine genotype even hands.  

When you put up websites ...stud dogs and sell puppies to the public This is your marketing dogs today you are in business.    

Personally really enjoyed yours. I shared yours with my herding friend and she loved it as well the statements of principles and values.  She has many working herding collies all from her OFA normal eyed non carrier, VwD and cyclic neutropenia clear normal eyed non carriers and rcd2 clear--and herding titles.  Know she does not mind me talking about her on public discussion? 

She like me just a little older and wiser that this public marketing could bring no one knows to your door. Kathy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason went on her site is she first contacted on a Facebook account alert to what she still believes and your threatening friend is  me. I was not on her site today.  Yes, I was given quite a list of people wanting to be accepted as friends.  I told them to please close this down.  I have seen enough.  Yes, also got the notice alert of complaint.  Some people find how people prey into others lives part of crime prevention or preventing more serious crimes.</p>
<p> As I told your threating friend that is not me, and is not.  Someone else has more time than I have to sit.  </p>
<p>  She attempted first to get me on Facebook through a mutal acquaintance several requests. I explained, do not like Facebook.<br />
Finally gave them permission to give her private e-mail and get this over and done. </p>
<p>Yes seems Bella Collies has been the topic of private discusssions my friends tell me.</p>
<p>I do not talk on their chat sites and again it was another acquaintance who recommended a puppy buyer to me that I sent to another breeder that had the pigmentation she desired.<br />
 Yes when the site was posted I looked.  When did that become a crime or reason to threaten someone?  Photos are difficult to determine genotype even hands.  </p>
<p>When you put up websites &#8230;stud dogs and sell puppies to the public This is your marketing dogs today you are in business.    </p>
<p>Personally really enjoyed yours. I shared yours with my herding friend and she loved it as well the statements of principles and values.  She has many working herding collies all from her OFA normal eyed non carrier, VwD and cyclic neutropenia clear normal eyed non carriers and rcd2 clear&#8211;and herding titles.  Know she does not mind me talking about her on public discussion? </p>
<p>She like me just a little older and wiser that this public marketing could bring no one knows to your door. Kathy</p>
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